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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 19, 2009 1:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Walter Cronkite

Yeah, I noticed that too...of course, he is one everyone loves to hate. Arrogant, overconfident, fallen angel repenting a bit too late...all sorts of cliches apply.

My read is that he certainly was a sharp guy, initially drawn in by the supposed appeal of Nam/Cold War/etc, but then when he recognized the error, it was too late since his Pres, though BEGGING him for a way out a few yrs before, having COMMITTED to the damn thing, WAS not going to suddenly reverse course when Mac told him to...

All very tragic. Certainly there are those with greater dirt on the guy than me, but at least, at some level, he did in the end recognize his mistake...maybe just not enough of them?

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Poster: bbrew2 Date: Jul 19, 2009 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Walter Cronkite

Thats a good read Will, he said as much in the documentry "Fog of War" about error, President and commitment. It's an intresting movie if you havent seen it. A long interview with Mcnamera. No big revelations but some good historical anecdotes. Like Uncle Ho telling Mcnamera "Were fighting the Chinese too." He speaks of several reasons why the war was untenable, and not one of them was because of a reporter.:)

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jul 19, 2009 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Walter Cronkite

In "Fog" it seems like McNamara was still making excuses for himself -- still in the fog.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 19, 2009 8:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Walter Cronkite

True enough...sad it seems to me. I don't want to defend the guy by any stretch, but just like LBJ, the guy I grew up hating in ALL respects turns out to be a bit more complicated than I thought...not that they don't both deserve a great deal of criticism, but it is interesting to learn of their side to it all, that makes it a bit, just a bit I suppose, understandable? If that makes sense...they not as much of the pure monsters I imagined is part of it...

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Poster: bbrew2 Date: Jul 19, 2009 8:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Walter Cronkite

No doubt about it. His book wasnt much better. However, on Charlie Rose he did acually utter the words, "we were wrong", but it took a bit of hammering to get him to say it. Then, he started on the excuses.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 20, 2009 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Walter Cronkite

I am just glad you didn't call me "William Smell"...

Thanks.

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Poster: bbrew2 Date: Jul 20, 2009 8:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Walter Cronkite

Maybe, if we were in elementary school. Then you can call me bbpoo. That might actually be funny. When I read that one, I knew it was time to go. As entertaining and educational as it all was, my 3 and 4 year olds were behaving in a similar manner. So I say to my wife, "Honey, call your friend, see if she can sit the kids. Then we'll go indulge in a lunch of Gyro's, all this talk of the Turks got me hankerin for a fat Gyro, stuffed with 100% local, grassfed fed, organogroovy western beef and delicious, tender Turkish lamb with taziki dressing and a bottle of wine." So we had our lunch on the beautiful riverside and got some much needed time to ourselves. So I must extend a hearty thanks to you for your Mid-East history, patient, tactful efforts with our favorite reviewer. Oh, and when I got home and looked in on this nice place Im enjoying much, I recieved a butt doodle! Mom always told me I was special. It's been a great day!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 21, 2009 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Walter Cronkite

Yeah, I get far too easily drawn in when a topic of passing interest (eg, esp military history) catches my eye and the initial post shows a tidbit of information and not much else...I respond, and everyonce in a while it leads to an interesting exchange with, typically, someone else! veblen and I ended up connecting over a bunch of WWII stuff that originally was directed at Kman...and though Kman and I have great gulfs of disagreement between us, even the two of us came to an understanding of sorts...

Don't think that's gonna happen with this guy!

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